Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from beak.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Wed, 27 Jun 1990 01:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0aW4ab200VcJE31k4L@andrew.cmu.edu> Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Wed, 27 Jun 1990 01:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V11 #572 SPACE Digest Volume 11 : Issue 572 Today's Topics: ATTENTION URGENT MAYDAY!!!! Re: NSS protests Chinese launch pricing NASA technical memo 80339 Re: More on NASA 91 Appropriation Vote Re: Prize for Rocket to the Moon. Shuttle Status for 06/25/90 (Forwarded) Sagan on Mars Re: Handicaped in Space (was: NASA Headline News) Rogers Commission Report Re: Anyone Know What MOL Is/Was? Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription notices, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Jun 90 18:34:51 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!icdoc!mvax.cc.ic.ac.uk!sund!zmapj36@uunet.uu.net (M.S.Bennett Supvs= Prof Pendry) Subject: ATTENTION URGENT MAYDAY!!!! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! Would ANYONE at York University (Ontario,Canada) please forward this TO:JULIA HUNTER (British Citizen) Who is currently attending the International Space University. I Thank you,your country thanks you, etc., etc. /------ ------- -----\ /------ | ====================== | | | | \ | | M. Sean Bennett | \-----\ |---- | | \-----\ | UKSEDS TECH.OFF. | | | | / | | Janet:SEDS@CC.IC.AC.UK | ------/ ------- -----/ ------/ | Bitnet- | | SEDS%CC.IC.AC.UK@ukacrl | | ====================== | ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jun 90 05:58:43 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bull!peter@uunet.uu.net (Peter Woon) Subject: Re: NSS protests Chinese launch pricing (David Anderman) says: > >Hmmmm....NSS is protesting that the Chinese launch payloads too cheaply. >Since the key factor in space development is the (present) high cost of >getting into low Earth orbit, it isn't too surprising that NSS >headquarters is worried that the Chinese are charging too little to get >to LEO. The whole issue of NSS complaining about chinese launch prices struck me as somehow all too familier, but I couldn't think why.....until it suddenly became clear. Wheat ! Australian Wheat, American Wheat and ECC Wheat bound for China & Russia.... some of them with artificially goverment subsidised prices...and some not. The US simply has no RIGHT to complain, whether the Chinese rocket prices bear any resemblance to reality or not. The Chinese launch cheap oak like the US staunch wheat folk. -- =============================================================================== | P.E.T.E.R. W.O.O.N. H.A.S. S.P.O.K.E.N. | =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jun 90 21:17:57 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!bionet!hayes.fai.alaska.edu!acad3.fai.alaska.edu!ftdjt@ucsd.edu (THOMAS DAVID J) Subject: NASA technical memo 80339 My previous posting (Message-ID: <1990Jun26.203331.21611@hayes.fai.alaska.edu>) got screwed up somehow when it hit the system. It was supposed to read: I am trying to find NASA technical memo #80339. It was published in 1979 and concerns the observation of greenish patches on Martian rocks photographed by one of the Viking landers. Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy? Dave Thomas ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 90 06:01:03 GMT From: agate!agate!web@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (William Baxter) Subject: Re: More on NASA 91 Appropriation Vote In article <5424@itivax.iti.org> aws@vax3.iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >I recently posted the results of the House Appropriation Subcommittee >vote which zeroed out almost all the money for SEI. >2. Why did it happen? >In a nutshell, because Bob Traxler (D-MI) and Richard Malow (chief staffer >on the appropriation subcommittee that funds NASA) didn't want it to happen. >3. What can we do now? We can all write to Bob Traxler and thank him for not allowing NASA to begin another large, ill-defined project when current programs like Space Station, ALS and NASP are already out of control. He has taken an important step toward reform of NASA. The Honorable Bob Traxler U.S. House of Representatives Washington, DC 20515 -- William Baxter ARPA: web@{garnet,brahms,math}.Berkeley.EDU UUCP: {sun,dual,decwrl,decvax,hplabs,...}!ucbvax!garnet!web ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 90 02:22:07 GMT From: super!rminnich@uunet.uu.net (Ronald G Minnich) Subject: Re: Prize for Rocket to the Moon. In article <13942.268220b8@maven.u.washington.edu> games@maven.u.washington.edu writes: >Any potential helpers on this? Send me mail. well, some thoughts: 1) Do you have to be incorporated for this? 2) Would NSS be interested in helping with organization and publicity or is that too involved? 3) Could you build a system like the TOW missile i.e. control at the launch site but use radio control instead of wires? Or does the decision making need to be in the rocket? "I are a ee" so know zip about rockets except models i build. 4) the ballon launch sounds good. what about other ways of getting a boost from fuel you are not carrying i.e. some type of catapault? A good steam or air catapault might be worth that N engine? 5) Can anybody drop a complete list of vendors and clubs and magazines in the G and up rocket field on this list? Sounds like there are people out there flying some nice big rockets, and I have never gone beyond D! 6) is the satellite positioning system any potential help for guidance or is the equipment you need too much mass? This is the kind of crazy-ass sort of thing that americans used to do before they discovered TV. It is why life in the US used to be more interesting. Count me in on the pledges and help in the fall. Also I am willing to try to go for the prize. I am thinking it would be a good thing to get local kids interested in. ron -- 1987: We set standards, not Them. Your standard windowing system is NeUWS. 1989: We set standards, not Them. You can have X, but the UI is OpenLock. 1990: Why are you buying all those workstations from Them running Motif? ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 90 17:22:06 GMT From: trident.arc.nasa.gov!yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee) Subject: Shuttle Status for 06/25/90 (Forwarded) KSC SHUTTLE STATUS - MONDAY JUNE 25, 1990 11:30 a.m. STS-38 - ATLANTIS (OV 104) - LAUNCH PAD 39-A Saturday, workers successfully conducted a helium signature leak test of the main propulsion system and three main engines. The test did not identify any leaks in the system. Hypergolic operations were held up about one shift yesterday because a transformer shorted out which brought down the system that supplies cooled air to the Launch Control Center. The cooled air keeps the computers at the proper temperature for normal operations. Atlantis was powered down while technicians recon- figured the system supplying cooled air to the LCC. Nitrogen tetroxide is being loaded into the orbiter's on- board storage tanks today. Loading of monomethylhydrazine is scheduled to start tomorrow morning. This operation also includes loading hydrazine into the orbiter's auxiliary power units and in the boosters' hydraulic power units. The special tanking test remains scheduled for Thursday morning. The Rotating Service Structure will be moved away from the vehicle at midnight Wednesday. Liquid hydrogen will be loaded into the external tank while engineers monitor sensors to deter- mine if there are any leaks. The official launch date for STS-38 will be set at the con- clusion of the Flight Readiness Review on Friday. STS-35 - COLUMBIA (OV 102) - OPF BAY 2 Servicing of the Broad Band X-Ray Telescope with liquid ar- gon was completed yesterday. The servicing was planned for today, however, pressure readings taken yesterday indicated lower levels than expected. Argon provides up to 16 days of cooling for the instrument. While in the OPF, some of Columbia's systems will re- quire routine servicing. A functional test of the reaction con- trol system regulators is planned this week. Over the weekend, technicians at the Rockwell facility in California performed tests on Columbia's external tank side 17- inch disconnect. Both the 17-inch and 4-inch liquid hydrogen lines were tested. No leak resembling the type seen during tank- ing operations on Pad A was detected. Space Shuttle Director Robert Crippen has given approval for the removal and replacement of the orbiter side 17-inch discon- nect on Columbia. The orbiter side disconnect currently on Space Shuttle Endeavour will be removed and the part along with equip- ment needed when working on the disconnect area will be shipped to KSC. The 17-inch disconnect on Columbia will then be removed and shipped to Rockwell for testing. The impact of this replacement operation on Columbia's launch processing is still being assessed. The target date for Columbia's next flight with the Astro-1 payload remains assessed for mid-August. A new 17-inch valve was installed on the STS-35 external tank last week. STS-41 - DISCOVERY (OV 103) - OPF BAY 1 Orbiter structural inspections and routine testing of all the orbiter's systems are continuing this week. Thermal protec- tion system operations are underway on all areas of the vehicle. The nose landing gear tire and wheel assemblies are scheduled to be installed this week. Tests are continuing on the two orbital maneuvering system pods at the Hypergolic Maintenance Facility. Discovery is being prepared for the STS-41/Ulysses flight, scheduled for launch in October. STS-41 SOLID ROCKET BOOSTERS - VAB Stacking operations resumed today with the right aft center segment. The right forward center segment is scheduled to be transferred to the VAB in the next few days. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 90 22:18:11 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!bionet!hayes.fai.alaska.edu!acad3.fai.alaska.edu!ftdjt@ucsd.edu (THOMAS DAVID J) Subject: Sagan on Mars To anyone who may know: I am trying to find a reference in which Carl Sagan described a hypothetical Martian model in which he stated that Mars may go through long ice ages due to precession. During those ice ages, the Martian environment becomes more favorable for life. I believe the original article was published ca 1971. I found an indirect reference to it in Patrick Moore's GUIDE TO MARS (1977). However, Moore did not give a direct reference to a publication. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dave Thomas ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jun 90 01:04:56 GMT From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!qucdn!gilla@rutgers.edu (Arnold G. Gill) Subject: Re: Handicaped in Space (was: NASA Headline News) In article <25480@usc.edu> robiner@oberon.usc.edu (Steve Robiner) writes: >Has NASA or anyone else ever thought of using amputees or other >naturally handicaped persons with no legs as astronauts for extended >stays in space. > >It seems to me they'd be the ideal choice for the job. While other >astronauts are handicaped in space *with* legs, NASA could never do that! It would never get through Congress, having American heroes being obviously physically handicapped! half a :-) ------- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Arnold Gill | | | Queen's University at Kingston | If I hadn't wanted it heard, | | BITNET : gilla@qucdn | I wouldn't have said it. | | X-400 : Arnold.Gill@QueensU.CA | | | INTERNET : gilla@qucdn.queensu.ca | | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 90 20:50 CST From: RDBROWN%UALR.BITNET@vma.cc.cmu.edu Subject: Rogers Commission Report X-Envelope-To: space+@andrew.cmu.edu I'd like to know if the Rogers Commision report of the Challenger accident is available through bitnet or via ftp. Thanks in advance. Robert Brown RDBROWN@UALR.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jun 90 17:40:27 GMT From: mephisto!prism!prism.gatech.EDU!dsm@handies.ucar.edu (Daniel McGurl) Subject: Re: Anyone Know What MOL Is/Was? In article <10780@hydra.gatech.EDU> ccoprmd@prism.gatech.EDU (Matthew DeLuca) writes: >In article <440@newave.UUCP> john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes: >>Can anyone tell me more about MOL, or at least point >>me to some references? Specifically, I am curious as to >>what the mission was, what if any hardware was built, >>and why it was cancelled. >As to the mission, a hint can be gotten from the fact that the 'missing' >KH-10 designation in the series of U.S. recon platforms was taken by the >MOL. William Burrow's book _Deep Black_ mentions the MOL a little, but >does not go into great detail. I highly recommend the book, though, if you >are interested in U.S. aerial and space reconaissance...it's the best >book on the topic I've seen. Well, that's not quite correct. First of all, the KH-10 project was scrapped mainly because it became obsolete before actually getting of the drawing board. The KH-10 had been given the designation but no hardware was ever built for it (Well, that we know about anyway :-)... Actually, I seem to recall that the plans for the MOL have been changed to become an unmanned recon platform. I think in the long run that there was no real benedit from having people on board. True, they could fix point failures, but if the platforms work well, then a service mission every once in a while would fix it. I beleive there were also some concerns that people in a recon platform might be considered spies in times of conflict. Anyone out there know the current status of the unmanned version of the platform? Deep Black on refrences from 1986... I remember some speculation from the book that KH-13 or KH-14 might be the unmanned space station/recon platform. >Matthew DeLuca >Georgia Institute of Technology Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, >Office of Computing Services for they are subtle, and quick to anger. >ARPA: ccoprmd@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V11 #572 *******************